Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac

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Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac Os
Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac Pro
Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac

Hi guys, I've been working on a DIY FRFR cab project that turned out pretty nice so I wanted to share with everyone. I started with an empty single 12' cab from SEISMIC audio (Luke 1x12C). I loaded it with the BETA-12cx and the ASD:1001 horn. I used the eminence PXB2:2K5CX crossover. I did a simple modification to the high-pass section of the crossover by adding an additional 3.3uF cap in parallel with the existing 3.3 uF cap.

That lowered the corner freq of the horn down from about 4 kHz to 3 kHz, and gave me a very close response to my ZLX-12P. Cab $150 BETA-12cx $75 ADS1001 $30 Crossover $45 3.3uF cap $1.50 Great price for a nice FRFR system! I did the last bit of EQ tweeking with the output GEQ of the AXE. The low-end was a little hot, so that was easy to fix. (This is a closed-back cabinet.) It sounds great tilted back a bit, and has good dispersion.

Click to expand.I should correct my original post. My EV cab is the ZLX-12 (passive) I always get confused about the 'P.' 'P' is for 'powered' not 'passive'. I think my project cab sounds better. It definitely has more low-end, which I like. The highs are also smoother.

The EV can sound a little harsh. The highs were not as good as the ZLX-12 until I modified the stock crossover.

There are other posts about the lack of highs in the stock Eminence crossover, so it seems to be a common observation. Some people prefer to remove the 3-dB pad, but I spent some time measuring the crossover point, and found it to be too high to start with (4 kHz). So, I decided to lower the corner down to 3 kHz. I used spice to model the circuit based on the measurement.

I don't have a lot of experience with speaker cab design or the science behind cab & speaker electronics, as you do apparently. At first glance I was wondering where the high frequency driver is? If it's a coaxial speaker, where's the 2nd cone? My lack of experience with this stuff is showing.

I have been looking for a better speaker setup for my AX8, but money and portability are issues. I have been using a pair of cheaper studio monitors (Presonus Eris 8's) at home and a Line 6 L2T for gigs. Both are good, but not ideal. I also ran one output from the AX8 through a clean tube power amp and a small 1 12' guitar cab and there's definitely something about running a conventional cab that adds something missing from the monitors I am using. I guess I’m trying to find the best of both worlds on the cheap which is probably not reasonable. What’s the response like from this cab & speaker?

I know its FRFR, which is a good thing for the Axe but is it any more similar in sound / feel to the response from a traditional guitar cab? I may have to try putting something like this together for myself and see if it tic’s all the right boxes for me. Very interesting. I don't have a lot of experience with speaker cab design or the science behind cab & speaker electronics, as you do apparently. At first glance I was wondering where the high frequency driver is? If it's a coaxial speaker, where's the 2nd cone? My lack of experience with this stuff is showing.

I know its FRFR, which is a good thing for the Axe but is it any more similar in sound / feel to the response from a traditional guitar cab? I may have to try putting something like this together for myself and see if it tic’s all the right boxes for me. Click to expand.I've never heard the Line 6 L2T, but reading the published specifications I would guess it has to sound better than my home-brew cab. The active DSP design has to be flatter and more accurate. A traditional cab is never going to sound like an FRFR cab, so you'll have to decide what works best for you. I used to run a traditional 2x12 open-back cab on stage, but decided an FRFR cab onstage as a monitor or a backline lets me hear the same thing the audience hears through the FOH, and the coaxial driver fills the stage better with fewer dead spots. I should correct my original post.

My EV cab is the ZLX-12 (passive) I always get confused about the 'P.' 'P' is for 'powered' not 'passive'. I think my project cab sounds better.

It definitely has more low-end, which I like. The highs are also smoother. The EV can sound a little harsh.

The highs were not as good as the ZLX-12 until I modified the stock crossover. There are other posts about the lack of highs in the stock Eminence crossover, so it seems to be a common observation. Some people prefer to remove the 3-dB pad, but I spent some time measuring the crossover point, and found it to be too high to start with (4 kHz). So, I decided to lower the corner down to 3 kHz. I used spice to model the circuit based on the measurement.

(I had to make an educated guess at the inductor values since I'm too lazy to pull them out and measure them.) I tried several capacitor values in the high-pass section until I settled on an additional 3.3uF in parallel with the 3.3 uF already in the circuit. Click to expand.This is super helpful. I have a ZLX-12P pair and I also have two 'Bogner Cube' clones sitting here collecting dust. I've long toyed with the idea of putting these exact Eminence drivers in there.

I was also considering the BETA 10CX drivers. I used WinISD to model the enclosure, closed (thin lines) and ported (thick lines). The ported 10' has better bass extension (63Hz vs 92Hz), perhaps at the expense of less power handling and a looser bottom, while the 12' has the same extension ported or closed down to -3db at 74Hz, but would probably be much tighter in the low end if closed.

I'm guessing the ported 10' would be a better speaker in this enclosure anyway for FR audio and the closed 12' would be better for guitar. Very interesting. I don't have a lot of experience with speaker cab design or the science behind cab & speaker electronics, as you do apparently. At first glance I was wondering where the high frequency driver is?

If it's a coaxial speaker, where's the 2nd cone? My lack of experience with this stuff is showing. I have been looking for a better speaker setup for my AX8, but money and portability are issues. I have been using a pair of cheaper studio monitors (Presonus Eris 8's) at home and a Line 6 L2T for gigs. Both are good, but not ideal. I also ran one output from the AX8 through a clean tube power amp and a small 1 12' guitar cab and there's definitely something about running a conventional cab that adds something missing from the monitors I am using.

I guess I’m trying to find the best of both worlds on the cheap which is probably not reasonable. What’s the response like from this cab & speaker? I know its FRFR, which is a good thing for the Axe but is it any more similar in sound / feel to the response from a traditional guitar cab? I may have to try putting something like this together for myself and see if it tic’s all the right boxes for me. This is super helpful.

I have a ZLX-12P pair and I also have two 'Bogner Cube' clones sitting here collecting dust. I've long toyed with the idea of putting these exact Eminence drivers in there. I was also considering the BETA 10CX drivers.

I used WinISD to model the enclosure, closed (thin lines) and ported (thick lines). The ported 10' has better bass extension (63Hz vs 92Hz), perhaps at the expense of less power handling and a looser bottom, while the 12' has the same extension ported or closed down to -3db at 74Hz, but would probably be much tighter in the low end if closed. I'm guessing the ported 10' would be a better speaker in this enclosure anyway for FR audio and the closed 12' would be better for guitar.

Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac Os

Originally Posted by beastaudio It is going to be at least $100 less per driver, probably closer to $150 less once all is said and done. Well, After talking with the pro sound service guys yesterday, either the CXT or cx21 will do a decent job in room, and with the xo-1 crossover network. No one has really said either way which one appears to be better but the pricing on the cxt is in Matt's opinion not worth the additional cost over what the cx21 has to offer. I've tested the CD used on the back of the CX21 a couple years ago and it wasn't very good. Maybe the one I got had issues, or maybe they've changed something in them since. I forgot to mention that two prototype screw on compression drivers might be heading my way with the poly diaphragms. The only bad thing is that the samples have the neo magnet which would increase their cost.

But a good screw on CD a poly diaphragm would likely sound really good, even on a cheaper woofer. So in the end, the price might all level out, and still have a better sounding coaxial.

I haven't been able to find a nice screw on model of the DE250 or similar CD. But I do have some interesting adapters coming that might work okay. Originally Posted by Erich H I've tested the CD used on the back of the CX21 a couple years ago and it wasn't very good. Maybe the one I got had issues, or maybe they've changed something in them since. That is something that made me a little nervous with actually both the cx21 and the cxt as their graphs don't look all that incredible to start with, and additional XO work would be needed to really massage them into a good option, but hey, if they are good enough for Mark Seaton, it is kind of hard to deny them as a possibility. Originally Posted by Erich H I forgot to mention that two prototype screw on compression drivers might be heading my way with the poly diaphragms.

The only bad thing is that the samples have the neo magnet which would increase their cost. But a good screw on CD a poly diaphragm would likely sound really good, even on a cheaper woofer. So in the end, the price might all level out, and still have a better sounding coaxial. I haven't been able to find a nice screw on model of the DE250 or similar CD. But I do have some interesting adapters coming that might work okay. I am actually 100% for the neo design as I think most would be wall mounting these and the additional weight saved by going that route would be substantial.

The screw on options would actually be a killer plan to mate back with the eminenece 10 or 8 coax. A custom XO would be necessary in either case.

Originally Posted by Erich H I forgot to mention that two prototype screw on compression drivers might be heading my way with the poly diaphragms. The only bad thing is that the samples have the neo magnet which would increase their cost. But a good screw on CD a poly diaphragm would likely sound really good, even on a cheaper woofer.

So in the end, the price might all level out, and still have a better sounding coaxial. I haven't been able to find a nice screw on model of the DE250 or similar CD. But I do have some interesting adapters coming that might work okay. I would also opt for neo motors (as long as we aren't talking crazy prices) as the weight saved would be very welcome for a compact surround. Originally Posted by beastaudio Scott beat me to it, but yes, even with the Beyma's your cost savings are going to be substantial from the s8's but the performance we are going to be getting out of them will be on par if not hopefully better. I know Jeff has done a lot of work to get the s8's to where they are, but after some trial and error, I think we can have something really special here. Man O man, if that's the case sign me up!!!

Seriously now I really can't wait to see this project get going. I was seriously thinking about getting two pairs of Slant 8's, but its hard to swallow the $3600 it would cost for them! And I still want to add a Orbit Shifter ULF to my setup. Gorilla, I am trying to find an existing design that uses a decent, yet budget coax driver that has an enclosure and crossover already designed for me to copy. I am not quite capable enough, when it comes to crossovers, to design my own.

What I might end up doing is purchasing a coax driver that has a pre-built passive crossover already available. I know of course that this is not the optimal way of doing things, but for surround duty, it will suffice! Can you, or anyone else suggest a coax driver that is under $200 each that also has a pre-designed crossover also available?

Perhaps something from B&C? Originally Posted by Martycool007 Gorilla, I am trying to find an existing design that uses a decent, yet budget coax driver that has an enclosure and crossover already designed for me to copy. I am not quite capable enough, when it comes to crossovers, to design my own. What I might end up doing is purchasing a coax driver that has a pre-built passive crossover already available.

Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac Pro

I know of course that this is not the optimal way of doing things, but for surround duty, it will suffice! Can you, or anyone else suggest a coax driver that is under $200 each that also has a pre-designed crossover also available? Perhaps something from B&C?

Eminence Beta-10cx 10 Coaxial Driver For Mac

Perhaps you should read through the first 4 pages of the thread, as that is exactly what the eminence coax is: A cheap 10' coaxial speaker with a stock crossover you can buy straight from PE. I basically built all 4 for less than $800 including wood. PE even has a newer crossover that works with a different compression driver.

Just do these three components and start building. Originally Posted by Martycool007 Gorilla, I am trying to find an existing design that uses a decent, yet budget coax driver that has an enclosure and crossover already designed for me to copy. I am not quite capable enough, when it comes to crossovers, to design my own. What I might end up doing is purchasing a coax driver that has a pre-built passive crossover already available. I know of course that this is not the optimal way of doing things, but for surround duty, it will suffice! Can you, or anyone else suggest a coax driver that is under $200 each that also has a pre-designed crossover also available? Perhaps something from B&C?

Definitely RE-read the first few pages. Ok so I went back and read 90% of this entire thread, and I plan to build 4 of these coax surrounds, and will likely order all the parts today., BUT, with regards to the original design using the APT-50 with the 10' Eminence coax and the stock Eminence crossover.how does that combo differ from the Eminence ASD-1001 CD with that other crossover that Beast linked to a couple of post above? Would the ASD1001 be better than the APT150?

Also, with regards to the build using the Eminence Beta-10CX coax with the Selenium D220ti CD, is there a crossover diagram or an existing XO that I can copy or purchase an off the shelf version?